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May 14, 2007 / Daniel

A world anew

Notice what Jesus says in Revelation 21:5.  He didn’t say, “Behold, I make all new things.”  He says, “Behold, I make all things new.”

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  1. Matthew C / May 14 2007 6:34 pm

    Absolutely right.

    I do not understand why Christians are so scornful about Jehovah’s Wintesses talking about a renewed earth.

    That which is good in the original creation will be restored and renewed in the New Earth and that includes non-glorified humanity, marriage and child bearing.

    God Bless

    Matthew

  2. fiester25 / May 15 2007 12:35 am

    Matthew,
    Where do these non-glorified people come from? Who are they?

    How do you understand Matt. 22:30?

    I guess that I understand that the new earth will be a resurrected earth. Everyone in the new earth will be resurrected (i.e. glorified). We all will be changed (1 Cor. 15:51). Add to that the fact that Matt. 22 says that resurrected folks aren’t given in marriage. It makes the most sense to me to think that in the new earth, folks won’t get married and have kids.

  3. Matthew C / May 15 2007 8:11 am

    The non-glorified people are those who are saved after Christ’s coming and during the Millennial reign. The Bible says nothing about them being resurrected or changed.

    It makes sense to identify them with the nations in Rev 21:24. It is these folks who are ruled by the saints.

    Matthew 22:30 refers to those who are resurrected. As the Millennial saints will not be resurrected, they will just continue living on earth without dying, as Adam and Eve would have done had they not fallen into sin.

    Every Blessing in Christ

    Matthew

  4. fiester25 / May 15 2007 2:31 pm

    Here’s where premil theology gets tricky. Sometimes it seems to me that our amil friends have an easy way out.

    Where do the unglorified people during the millennial reign come from?

    Offspring of resurrected people?

    Everyone entering the millennium is resurrected, right? (Matt. 25:46).

  5. Matthew C / May 16 2007 7:59 am

    No.

    There will be a remnant of Jews who enter the Millennium after being converted at Christ’s coming (Zech 12).

    There will also be the sheep who are unsaved people who are spared because of their sympathy with persecuted Christians.

    It is likely that children of goats will be spared God’s judgment and will enter the millennium.

    Every Blessing in Christ

    Matthew

  6. fiester25 / May 16 2007 3:59 pm

    But that doesn’t fit Matthew 25:46 very well.

    “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

    Notice the parallelism. Only two options–eternal punishment or eternal life.

    Two obversations. First, this means that only saved people entered the kingdom. Secondly, the life that these people are entering parallels the punishment that the others have earned. That’s means bodily resurrection to eternal punishment in hell or bodily resurrection to eternal life in the kingdom.

    So the Jewish folks mentioned in Zech. 12 will alreadly sat through this judgment in Matt. 25. They will enter in the kingdom with the eternal life in 25:46.

    The text doesn’t mention “children of the goats” so it’s best not to read a bunch of stuff into the text.

  7. Matthew C / May 17 2007 12:57 pm

    “So the Jewish folks mentioned in Zech. 12 will alreadly sat through this judgment in Matt. 25. They will enter in the kingdom with the eternal life in 25:46.”

    The Sheep and Goats is a judgment of the nations or Gentiles, not Israel.

    “Notice the parallelism. Only two options–eternal punishment or eternal life.”

    Everyone who is condemned in that judgment goes to hell. Yes. But that does not prove that the Sheep were justified prior to the judgment. The basis of the judgment is not faith in Christ, but treatment of the Lord’s brethren.

    “The text doesn’t mention “children of the goats” so it’s best not to read a bunch of stuff into the text.”

    I am not reading anything into this text. But this is an event that is going to happen, is it not?

    So either the children of the goats will be condemned in this judgment or they will not be condemned.

    Every Blessing in Christ

    Matthew

  8. fiester25 / May 19 2007 2:55 pm

    Look at Matt. 25:32. It says, “All the nations.” Doesn’t “all” mean “all”? You’re not going to pull out some Calvinist argument now on me?

    That means Jesus is going to judge Israel. They’re not exempt.

    The sheep-goats story is a parable. I still think that it’s best not to overread them and find “children of goats” in the story.

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