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	<title>Comments on: Craig on Molinism</title>
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		<title>By: Serial Foreknowledge</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Serial Foreknowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Molinism is pretty logically self-consistent, but I have several problems with it. The first is that I reject this notion:

Steven Carr says...
&quot;What is Molinism?

In every conceivable set of circumstances, free agents like us will choose one particular way. &quot;

Is that really true? If a free agent is put in a set of identical circumstances a million times, will that free agent choose a particular way each and every time? If a free agent chooses differently one time out of a bazillion, then counterfactuals simply don&#039;t exist.

The second problem I have is that I don&#039;t see how the existence of counterfactuals leave an agent free.

If there is one and only one choice an agent could possibly make in a given circumstance, then his choice is determined. It is determined by that agent&#039;s personality, sure, but it is still determined. It is part of that agent&#039;s make-up that it will choose a certain way when given a certain choice. I don&#039;t see how this is any different than unfree agents.

The cleaner solution is to agree that the choices of free agents don&#039;t exist until that free agent makes the choice. God doesn&#039;t need to be required to have knowledge of choices that don&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molinism is pretty logically self-consistent, but I have several problems with it. The first is that I reject this notion:</p>
<p>Steven Carr says&#8230;<br />
&#8220;What is Molinism?</p>
<p>In every conceivable set of circumstances, free agents like us will choose one particular way. &#8221;</p>
<p>Is that really true? If a free agent is put in a set of identical circumstances a million times, will that free agent choose a particular way each and every time? If a free agent chooses differently one time out of a bazillion, then counterfactuals simply don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>The second problem I have is that I don&#8217;t see how the existence of counterfactuals leave an agent free.</p>
<p>If there is one and only one choice an agent could possibly make in a given circumstance, then his choice is determined. It is determined by that agent&#8217;s personality, sure, but it is still determined. It is part of that agent&#8217;s make-up that it will choose a certain way when given a certain choice. I don&#8217;t see how this is any different than unfree agents.</p>
<p>The cleaner solution is to agree that the choices of free agents don&#8217;t exist until that free agent makes the choice. God doesn&#8217;t need to be required to have knowledge of choices that don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was one possible explanation for why God choses to allow evil.

It&#039;s also an explanation that fits with Scripture, which I believe is a revelation of God&#039;s thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was one possible explanation for why God choses to allow evil.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also an explanation that fits with Scripture, which I believe is a revelation of God&#8217;s thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;I can’t read God’s mind.&#039;

Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I can’t read God’s mind.&#8217;</p>
<p>Really?</p>
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		<title>By: fiester25</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>fiester25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that I follow completely.  

Yes, God could have created a world where evil didn&#039;t exist, but He choose to allow evil because it allowed for some greater goods (i.e. mature Christian character, love, perseverance) to develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I follow completely.  </p>
<p>Yes, God could have created a world where evil didn&#8217;t exist, but He choose to allow evil because it allowed for some greater goods (i.e. mature Christian character, love, perseverance) to develop.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chooser is part of the universe, which means that the choice depends upon what condition the universe is in.

So the restriction which prevents God creating a world where our counterfactuals are such that we choose good, is that God wouldn&#039;t want to allow such a world to actualize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chooser is part of the universe, which means that the choice depends upon what condition the universe is in.</p>
<p>So the restriction which prevents God creating a world where our counterfactuals are such that we choose good, is that God wouldn&#8217;t want to allow such a world to actualize?</p>
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		<title>By: fiester25</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>fiester25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that he means that God wouldn&#039;t want to allow such a world to actualize.  

Why do you say that LFW has no cause?  What aspect about it isn&#039;t caused?  Of course, they are things that influence our choices.  LFW just holds that each person is a free moral agent (an unmoved mover).  The choice originates from within the chooser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that he means that God wouldn&#8217;t want to allow such a world to actualize.  </p>
<p>Why do you say that LFW has no cause?  What aspect about it isn&#8217;t caused?  Of course, they are things that influence our choices.  LFW just holds that each person is a free moral agent (an unmoved mover).  The choice originates from within the chooser.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant &#039;Why does Craig.....&#039;

I confused Craig with God! 

How can libertarian free will be demonstrated? How could an action be proved to have had no cause?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant &#8216;Why does Craig&#8230;..&#8217;</p>
<p>I confused Craig with God! </p>
<p>How can libertarian free will be demonstrated? How could an action be proved to have had no cause?</p>
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		<title>By: fiester25</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>fiester25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Neither of those things can be demonstrated.&quot;

It depends on how you want it demonstrated.  What criteria would you allow into court? Scripture?  Philosophical arguments?

I don&#039;t get what you mean when you say, &quot;So why does God think that Molinism imposes restrictions on which world God can actualise? &quot;

Maybe you should ask Him.  I can&#039;t read God&#039;s mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neither of those things can be demonstrated.&#8221;</p>
<p>It depends on how you want it demonstrated.  What criteria would you allow into court? Scripture?  Philosophical arguments?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get what you mean when you say, &#8220;So why does God think that Molinism imposes restrictions on which world God can actualise? &#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you should ask Him.  I can&#8217;t read God&#8217;s mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Carr</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just proved that Molinism follows from libertarian free wil and an omniscient God.

Neither of those things can be demonstrated.

As can  be seen from the analysis, there is a counterfactual of freedom that allows God to create a world where I freely choose coffee.

There is also a counterfactual of freedom that allows God to create a world where I freely choose tea.

So why does God think that Molinism imposes restrictions on which world God can actualise? (There is no world where I freely choose cocoa, but that restriction on God has nothing to do with Molinism)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just proved that Molinism follows from libertarian free wil and an omniscient God.</p>
<p>Neither of those things can be demonstrated.</p>
<p>As can  be seen from the analysis, there is a counterfactual of freedom that allows God to create a world where I freely choose coffee.</p>
<p>There is also a counterfactual of freedom that allows God to create a world where I freely choose tea.</p>
<p>So why does God think that Molinism imposes restrictions on which world God can actualise? (There is no world where I freely choose cocoa, but that restriction on God has nothing to do with Molinism)</p>
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		<title>By: fiester25</title>
		<link>http://anchorforthesoul.wordpress.com/2007/07/04/craig-on-molinism-2/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>fiester25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m assuming based on your evasiveness that you don&#039;t believe in such things.

You make a great point in saying that it&#039;s logically possible.  That&#039;s great.  

But the more important question is whether it&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m assuming based on your evasiveness that you don&#8217;t believe in such things.</p>
<p>You make a great point in saying that it&#8217;s logically possible.  That&#8217;s great.  </p>
<p>But the more important question is whether it&#8217;s true.</p>
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